diff --git a/doc/emacs/emacs.texi b/doc/emacs/emacs.texi
index 678ccb9ba51..a7967ecaee5 100644
--- a/doc/emacs/emacs.texi
+++ b/doc/emacs/emacs.texi
@@ -3,10 +3,28 @@
 @setfilename ../../info/emacs.info
 @settitle GNU Emacs Manual
 @include docstyle.texi
+
+@c The edition number appears in more than one place in this file
+@c I don't really know what it means...
+@c For example, it has said "Sixteenth" since sometime in the Emacs 22
+@c series, all through 23, and into 24.  So it is not very useful IMO,
+@c and offers nothing that EMACSVER does not.  I guess it relates
+@c mainly to the published book sold by the FSF.  Hence no longer
+@c bother including it except iftex.  Really, I think it should not be
+@c here at all (since anyone can make a pdf version), but should just
+@c be something added by the FSF during the publishing process.
+@c Also, the lispref uses a float (3.0), whereas this uses an ordinal,
+@c so the format is not even consistent.
+@set EDITION   Seventeenth
 @include emacsver.texi
 
 @copying
+@iftex
+This is the @value{EDITION} edition of the @cite{GNU Emacs Manual},@*
+@end iftex
+@ifnottex
 This is the @cite{GNU Emacs Manual},
+@end ifnottex
 updated for Emacs version @value{EMACSVER}.
 
 Copyright @copyright{} 1985--1987, 1993--2019 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
@@ -64,7 +82,7 @@ developing GNU and promoting software freedom.''
 @sp 6
 @center @titlefont{GNU Emacs Manual}
 @sp 4
-@center Updated for Emacs Version @value{EMACSVER}
+@center @value{EDITION} Edition, Updated for Emacs Version @value{EMACSVER}.
 @sp 5
 @center Richard Stallman et al.
 @page
diff --git a/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi b/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi
index 9ad4cf102e3..489ba8d6ef8 100644
--- a/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi
+++ b/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi
@@ -63,6 +63,10 @@
 \global\hbadness=6666 % don't worry about not-too-underfull boxes
 @end tex
 
+@c These refer to the printed book sold by the FSF.
+@set edition-number 3.10
+@set update-date 28 October 2009
+
 @c For next or subsequent edition:
 @c   create function using with-output-to-temp-buffer
 @c   create a major mode, with keymaps
@@ -102,6 +106,9 @@
 This is @cite{An Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp}, for
 people who are not programmers.
 @sp 1
+@iftex
+Edition @value{edition-number}, @value{update-date}
+@end iftex
 @ifnottex
 Distributed with Emacs version @value{EMACSVER}.
 @end ifnottex
diff --git a/doc/lispref/elisp.texi b/doc/lispref/elisp.texi
index 652175c3952..d667c51d788 100644
--- a/doc/lispref/elisp.texi
+++ b/doc/lispref/elisp.texi
@@ -52,7 +52,12 @@
 @end ifset
 @end tex
 
+
+@c Version of the manual and of Emacs.
+@c (See comments for EDITION in emacs.texi)
+@set VERSION  3.1
 @include emacsver.texi
+@set DATE October 2014
 
 @c in general, keep the following line commented out, unless doing a
 @c copy of this manual that will be published.  The manual should go
@@ -86,7 +91,12 @@
 @c @syncodeindex tp fn
 
 @copying
-This is the @cite{GNU Emacs Lisp Reference Manual},
+@iftex
+This is edition @value{VERSION} of the @cite{GNU Emacs Lisp Reference Manual},@*
+@end iftex
+@ifnottex
+This is the @cite{GNU Emacs Lisp Reference Manual}
+@end ifnottex
 corresponding to Emacs version @value{EMACSVER}.
 
 Copyright @copyright{} 1990--1996, 1998--2019 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
@@ -117,6 +127,7 @@ developing GNU and promoting software freedom.''
 @subtitle @value{voltitle}
 @end ifset
 @subtitle For Emacs Version @value{EMACSVER}
+@subtitle Revision @value{VERSION}, @value{DATE}
 
 @author by Bil Lewis, Dan LaLiberte, Richard Stallman,
 @author the GNU Manual Group, et al.