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* doc/misc/efaq.texi (Real meaning of copyleft) (Guidelines for mailing list postings, Mailing list archives) (Packages that do not come with Emacs): Prefer mailing lists to newsgroups. (Bug#46633)
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@ -323,8 +323,8 @@ Free Software Foundation, and related organizations.
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@menu
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* Real meaning of copyleft::
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* Guidelines for newsgroup postings::
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* Newsgroup archives::
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* Guidelines for mailing list postings::
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* Mailing list archives::
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* Reporting bugs::
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* Unsubscribing from Emacs lists::
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* Contacting the FSF::
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@ -343,9 +343,10 @@ There has never been a copyright infringement case involving the GPL to
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set any precedents. Although legal actions have been brought against
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companies for violating the terms of the GPL, so far all have been
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settled out of court (in favor of the plaintiffs). Please take any
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discussion regarding this issue to the newsgroup
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@uref{news:gnu.misc.discuss}, which was created to hold the extensive
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flame wars on the subject.
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discussion regarding this issue to
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@uref{https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss, the
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gnu-misc-discuss mailing list}, which was created to hold the
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extensive flame wars on the subject.
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RMS writes:
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@ -359,54 +360,60 @@ distribute any version of Emacs or a related program, and give the
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recipients the same freedom that you enjoyed.
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@end quotation
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@node Guidelines for newsgroup postings
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@section What are appropriate messages for the various Emacs newsgroups?
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@node Guidelines for mailing list postings
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@section What are appropriate messages for the various Emacs mailing lists?
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@cindex Newsgroups, appropriate messages for
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@cindex GNU newsgroups, appropriate messages for
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@cindex GNU mailing lists, appropriate messages for
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@cindex Usenet groups, appropriate messages for
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@cindex Mailing lists, appropriate messages for
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@cindex Posting messages to newsgroups
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@cindex Posting messages to mailing lists
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@cindex GNU mailing lists
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The Emacs mailing lists are described at
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@uref{https://savannah.gnu.org/mail/?group=emacs, the Emacs Savannah
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page}. Some of them are gatewayed to newsgroups.
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page}.
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The newsgroup @uref{news:comp.emacs} is for discussion of Emacs programs
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in general. The newsgroup @uref{news:gnu.emacs.help} is specifically
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for GNU Emacs. It therefore makes no sense to cross-post to both
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groups, since only one can be appropriate to any question.
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Messages advocating ``non-free'' software are considered unacceptable
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on any of the GNU mailing lists, except for
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@url{https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss, the
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gnu-misc-discuss mailing list} which was created to hold the extensive
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flame-wars on the subject.
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Messages advocating ``non-free'' software are considered unacceptable on
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any of the @code{gnu.*} newsgroups except for @uref{news:gnu.misc.discuss},
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which was created to hold the extensive flame-wars on the subject.
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``Non-free'' software includes any software for which the end user can't
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freely modify the source code and exchange enhancements. Be careful to
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remove the @code{gnu.*} groups from the @samp{Newsgroups:} line when
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posting a followup that recommends such software.
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``Non-free'' software includes any software for which the end user
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can't freely modify the source code and exchange enhancements. Be
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careful to remove any GNU mailing lists from @samp{Cc:} when posting a
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reply that recommends such software.
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@uref{news:gnu.emacs.bug} is a place where bug reports appear, but avoid
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posting bug reports to this newsgroup directly (@pxref{Reporting bugs}).
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@url{https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs, The
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bug-gnu-emacs list} is a place where bug reports appear, but we
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recommend using the commands @kbd{M-x report-emacs-bug} or @kbd{M-x
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submit-emacs-patch} if at all possible (@pxref{Reporting bugs}).
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Some GNU mailing lists are gatewayed to (Usenet) newsgroups.
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For example, sending an email to
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@url{https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs, The
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bug-gnu-emacs list} has the effect of posting on the newsgroup
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@uref{news:gnu.emacs.help}).
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Finally, we recommend reading the
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@url{https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html, GNU Kind
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Communications Guidelines} before posting to any GNU lists or
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newsgroups.
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@node Newsgroup archives
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@section Where can I get old postings to @uref{news:gnu.emacs.help} and other GNU groups?
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@cindex Archived postings from @code{gnu.emacs.help}
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@cindex Usenet archives for GNU groups
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@cindex Old Usenet postings for GNU groups
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@node Mailing list archives
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@section Where can I read archives for @code{help-gnu-emacs} and other GNU lists?
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@cindex Archived postings from @code{help-gnu-emacs}
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@cindex Old mailing list posts for GNU lists
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@cindex Mailing list archives for GNU lists
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The FSF has maintained archives of all of the GNU mailing lists for many
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years, although there may be some unintentional gaps in coverage. The
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archive can be browsed over the web at
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@uref{https://lists.gnu.org/r/, the GNU mail archive}.
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Web-based Usenet search services, such as
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@uref{https://groups.google.com/groups/dir?q=gnu&, Google}, also
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archive the @code{gnu.*} groups.
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Some web-based Usenet search services also archive the @code{gnu.*}
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newsgroups.
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@node Reporting bugs
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@section Where should I report bugs and other problems with Emacs?
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@ -419,39 +426,25 @@ The correct way to report Emacs bugs is to use the command
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@kbd{M-x report-emacs-bug}. It sets up a mail buffer with the
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essential information and the correct e-mail address,
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@email{bug-gnu-emacs@@gnu.org}.
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Anything sent there also appears in the
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newsgroup @uref{news:gnu.emacs.bug}, but please use e-mail instead of
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news to submit the bug report. This ensures a reliable return address
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so you can be contacted for further details.
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Be sure to read the ``Bugs'' section of the Emacs manual before reporting
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a bug! The manual describes in detail how to submit a useful bug
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report (@pxref{Bugs, , Reporting Bugs, emacs, The GNU Emacs Manual}).
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(@xref{Emacs manual}, if you don't know how to read the manual.)
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RMS says:
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@quotation
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Sending bug reports to
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@url{https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs,
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the help-gnu-emacs mailing list}
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(which has the effect of posting on @uref{news:gnu.emacs.help}) is
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undesirable because it takes the time of an unnecessarily large group
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of people, most of whom are just users and have no idea how to fix
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these problem.
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@url{https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs, The
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bug-gnu-emacs list} reaches a much smaller group of people who are
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@url{https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs, the
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help-gnu-emacs mailing list} is undesirable because it takes the time
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of an unnecessarily large group of people, most of whom are just users
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and have no idea how to fix these
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problem. @url{https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs,
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The bug-gnu-emacs list} reaches a much smaller group of people who are
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more likely to know what to do and have expressed a wish to receive
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more messages about Emacs than the others.
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@end quotation
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RMS says it is sometimes fine to post to @uref{news:gnu.emacs.help}:
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@quotation
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If you have reported a bug and you don't hear about a possible fix,
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then after a suitable delay (such as a week) it is okay to post on
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@code{gnu.emacs.help} asking if anyone can help you.
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@end quotation
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@code{help-gnu-emacs@@gnu.org} asking if anyone can help you.
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If you are unsure whether you have found a bug, consider the following
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non-exhaustive list, courtesy of RMS:
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@ -463,6 +456,11 @@ is a bug. If Lisp code does not do what the documentation says it
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does, that is a bug.
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@end quotation
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Anything sent to @email{bug-gnu-emacs@@gnu.org} also appears in the
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newsgroup @uref{news:gnu.emacs.bug}, but please use e-mail instead of
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news to submit the bug report. This ensures a reliable return address
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so you can be contacted for further details.
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@node Unsubscribing from Emacs lists
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@section How do I unsubscribe from a mailing list?
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@cindex Unsubscribing from GNU mailing lists
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@ -3531,10 +3529,8 @@ installing any nonfree software, we recommend for your freedom's sake
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that you stay away from it.
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The @uref{https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-emacs-sources,
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GNU Emacs sources mailing list}, which is gatewayed to the
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@uref{news:gnu.emacs.sources, Emacs sources newsgroup} (although the
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connection between the two can be unreliable) is an official place
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where people can post or announce their extensions to Emacs.
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GNU Emacs sources mailing list} is an official place where people can
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post or announce their extensions to Emacs.
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The @uref{https://emacswiki.org, Emacs Wiki} contains pointers to some
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additional extensions. @uref{https://wikemacs.org, WikEmacs} is an
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